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Smooth bore vs combo
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Date: 10/29/07 10:42 AM
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Re: smoothbore vs. combo. nozzles in interior fire suppression
Do you buy a $1200.00 10 LBS automatic Fog nozzle to for the sole
purpose of venting the fire, or a $350.00 2 LBS smoothbore nozzle to put
it out?
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Date: 02/27/04 08:24 PM
Posted By: Fireman 49
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Re: smoothbore vs. combo. nozzles in interior fire suppression
"SMOOTHBORE"
Do the homework
Solid Stream at the seat of the fire
GPM's-vs-BTU's put out fires
Lower psi
Less reaction
Better stream & penetration
You can afford them & they don't break
VERY EFFECTIVE INITIAL ATTACK HANDLINE
We have one 1 3/4" preconnect with a 7/8" smoothbore, and
the other with a TFT combo nozzle. One 2 1/2" has a 1-1/8"
smoothbore, the other a TFT combo. They each have their place. But for
interior attack the equip. companies sold us a line of crap on
automatic nozzles.
Check out: Little Drops of water, St Petersburg Fla. tests, Fire
Nuggets, and most important! Anything you can find on Andrew
Fredericks FDNY Squad 18
Chase the kinks!
and...
"Never Forget"
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Regards, Greg
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Date: 10/16/02 07:25 PM
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Re: smoothbore vs. combo. nozzles in interior fire suppression
We have both low pressure (75 psi/150 gpm) fog and 15/16"
smoothbore tips on our 1 3/4" interior attack lines. Besides
delivering more GPM, the smoothbore seems to have a quicker
knockdown time with less water damage. The smoothbore is also
foolproof to operate and easier to maintain.
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| Q. Are the same fire control
techniques such as the combination attack as effective with Class
"A" foam?
A. Any foam application will be more effective
than plain water. Foam application will be more effective with a
smooth bore nozzle or combination nozzle on straight stream. CAFS
should be used with a smooth bore nozzle for the best results. |
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District Chief
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Florida
Posts: 6,511
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As a dealer for National Foam I may be a bit
biased but here goes. Yes...compare the costs.
National Knockdown (EPA rated and approved with no reportable ingredients)
is $11.50/gallon. A bit more expensive than Silvex (which is what
Florida Forestry uses) but can be effectively used as a wetting agent
at 1/10%. And at 1% produces a good foam blanket for exposure
protection.
So...if you are using dawn and ivory
(remember ivory has some lye in it) consider the cost and contact your
NATIONAL FOAM DEALER. Or, you can contact jimcott@aol.com of Cottrell
Associates and he will forward you a letter discussing the
comparison.
National Knockdown is also a "dump and
pump" foam as well as being used from eductors. So..think about
it....... And...yes...I wonder the effect on pump parts that soap
has.
Remember.....National Knockdown is UL listed
and approved and has an EPA rating with No reportable ingredients
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09-11 .. 343 "All Gave Some..Some Gave ALL" God Bless..R.I.P.
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IACOJ Minister of Southern Comfort
"Purple Hydrant" Recipient (3 Times)
BMI Investigator
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The comments, opinions, and positions expressed here are mine. They
are expressed respectfully, in the spirit of safety and progress. They
do not reflect the opinions or positions of my employer or my
department.
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Jeff Cotner responds to participants' questions from his
December 2007 webcast, "Class
A Foam 101: Structural Firefighting."
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Thermo Jel
Gel Plant Mixing
Percentages
Throughout field operations, mixing operations was first set at 1.3 percent
then decreased to 1% percent then upwards in stages of 1.2 to 1.3 percent.
Following the various levels of delivery the Helicopter Coordinator and Gregg
Smith agreed that 1.3 percent was best to combat timber crowning fire ground
activity. Additionally, the helicopter pilots and ground forces provided the
information to determine the proper mix ratio to suppress fire activities. The
Eel River water was directly being pumped into the mixing plant without prior
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http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/10/24/firefighting-gel-and-goop/
by Laura Ingle
We’ve all seen the images of homeowners trying to save
their properties against a wall of flames, with what looks like a spurt from
a garden hose.
If only those people knew about “Barricade Gel” or
“POK Quickstick foam.”
Barricade concentrate is a thermal protective gel that
you can attach to your garden hose and spray your house down with to prevent
it from catching fire. The gel provides a high level of protection from
radiant heat, flying embers, and direct flame. The goo goes into your garden
hose out of a plastic container, the same way you would attach pesticide to
a hose and spray for bugs.
Firefighters have been using this stuff for years, but
it is available to the public, and the formula is being improved all the
time. This could have been very useful to the folks in SoCal a week ago. I
hear when they do demos of Barricade Gel, they coat a door with it, then
take a blowtorch to it, and it doesn’t burn. When I called the Barricade
headquarters in Kansas to find out more, they were totally swamped with
calls today, and it’s no wonder. If I lived in Southern California, and
had a chance to save my home, I’d be on the horn too. I found out about
Barricade Gel, after talking with Tom at LineGear in Southern California. I
originally had called his company to find out more about fire shelters that
firefighters use — affectionately called “shake and bakes” after
seeing this picture in the L.A. Times.
These firefighters were nearly engulfed in flames on a
ridge off Santiago Canyon Road in Orange County. Someone on the crew
hollered out to deploy their emergency packs so that the fire wouldn’t
burn them alive. The metallic shelter, that makes them look a little like
astronauts on the moon, luckily kept these firefighters a little toasty, but
safe. My good friend and Fox News legal analyst Jim Hammer is the one who
tipped me off to fire suits, after seeing the story, and amazing
picture in the L.A. Times.
(You may have to complete a free
registration form at the L.A.
Times site to view the article — but trust me, it’s worth
it!)
He was in L.A. on the front lines of the fires to cover
the story for Greta! He hopped on board a plane from his home in San
Francisco armed with a new handy-cam and headed into the mess to get new
video for her show, and to interview victims displaced from the wildfires. I
hope you had a chance to see some of his work, because it was great! Last
night, Jim talked with some people who were literally standing in the ashes
of the place they used to call home, as they walked him through the charred
remains of their existence. It was very compelling.
Back to the new fire technology…. I also learned about
a product by POK called “Quick Stik Technology” is an advanced foam
spraying system that is a wetting agent that allows you to spray foam on a
fire, that is proven to put out flames much faster than water. Again,
something that fire departments use, but can be purchased by the public that
many people don’ t know about. Cool stuff, and good goop to have on hand
if you are a homeowner in fire prone areas of the country.
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