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Smooth bore vs combo

Date: 10/29/07 10:42 AM
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Re: smoothbore vs. combo. nozzles in interior fire suppression

Do you buy a $1200.00 10 LBS automatic Fog nozzle to for the sole purpose of venting the fire, or a $350.00 2 LBS smoothbore nozzle to put it out?
Date: 02/27/04 08:24 PM
Posted By: Fireman 49

Re: smoothbore vs. combo. nozzles in interior fire suppression

"SMOOTHBORE"
Do the homework
Solid Stream at the seat of the fire
GPM's-vs-BTU's put out fires
Lower psi
Less reaction
Better stream & penetration
You can afford them & they don't break

VERY EFFECTIVE INITIAL ATTACK HANDLINE

We have one 1 3/4" preconnect with a 7/8" smoothbore, and the other with a TFT combo nozzle. One 2 1/2" has a 1-1/8" smoothbore, the other a TFT combo. They each have their place. But for interior attack the equip. companies sold us a line of crap on automatic nozzles.
Check out: Little Drops of water, St Petersburg Fla. tests, Fire Nuggets, and most important! Anything you can find on Andrew Fredericks FDNY Squad 18
Chase the kinks!
and...

"Never Forget"

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Regards, Greg

Date: 10/16/02 07:25 PM
Posted By: hcfr519

Re: smoothbore vs. combo. nozzles in interior fire suppression

We have both low pressure (75 psi/150 gpm) fog and 15/16" smoothbore tips on our 1 3/4" interior attack lines. Besides delivering more GPM, the smoothbore seems to have a quicker knockdown time with less water damage. The smoothbore is also foolproof to operate and easier to maintain.
Q. Are the same fire control techniques such as the combination attack as effective with Class "A" foam?

A. Any foam application will be more effective than plain water. Foam application will be more effective with a smooth bore nozzle or combination nozzle on straight stream. CAFS should be used with a smooth bore nozzle for the best results.

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     As a dealer for National Foam I may be a bit biased but here goes. Yes...compare the costs. 
National Knockdown (EPA rated and approved with no reportable ingredients) is $11.50/gallon. A bit more expensive than Silvex (which is what Florida Forestry uses) but can be effectively used as a wetting agent at 1/10%. And at 1% produces a good foam blanket for exposure protection. 
     So...if you are using dawn and ivory (remember ivory has some lye in it) consider the cost and contact your NATIONAL FOAM DEALER. Or, you can contact jimcott@aol.com of Cottrell Associates and he will forward you a letter discussing the comparison. 
     National Knockdown is also a "dump and pump" foam as well as being used from eductors. So..think about it....... And...yes...I wonder the effect on pump parts that soap has.    
     Remember.....National Knockdown is UL listed and approved and has an EPA rating with No reportable ingredients
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Jeff Cotner responds to participants' questions from his December 2007 webcast, "Class A Foam 101: Structural Firefighting."

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Gel Plant Mixing Percentages

Throughout field operations, mixing operations was first set at 1.3 percent then decreased to 1% percent then upwards in stages of 1.2 to 1.3 percent. Following the various levels of delivery the Helicopter Coordinator and Gregg Smith agreed that 1.3 percent was best to combat timber crowning fire ground activity. Additionally, the helicopter pilots and ground forces provided the information to determine the proper mix ratio to suppress fire activities. The Eel River water was directly being pumped into the mixing plant without prior water testing which required compensating mixture ratios. After several ratio adjustments and eye witness accounts from the Helicopter personnel, the ratio was continually adjusted with various percentage mixtures as fire activity warranted. .

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Notes about Barricade. 

Dr. William Dramer Ph.D--University of Cincinnati Professor of Fire Science, Fire Chief of Deerfield Township F.D. --"Barricade is a quantum leap in firefighting; this is the best invention since the fire hose." " Barricade will be a welcome addition to our department. The addition of this product will allow us to fight fires more efficiently and protect structures . . . . " "Barricade is the single most advanced and effective water additive in the fire service today."  

Brian Humphrey of the Los Angeles City Fire Dept. 
--"It's very durable, it's very effective--we have yet to lose a structure to which we've applied Barricade Gel.:  

District Chief Tom May of East Lake Fire & Rescue, Florida 
--"We've tested Barricade in prescribed burns creating fire breaks without the use of plows." Plowing is very destructive,, he went on to say, The Barricade firebreak held the fire in prescription. The fire never crossed the line. It's extremely effective."  

Dr. Hal Ellis--One of the Nations Leading Researcher in Fire Barrier Coatings. 
Dr. Ellis had this to say about Barricade, ". . . Barricade is a giant evolutionary step for firefighters." "It shields the house or tree line from advancing fire. It denies the fire access. It's remarkable. It works, and it will save more homes and more money than you can count."   

Capt. Gorden Sabo--Rockerville Fire Dept. South Dakota with 18 years of service. 
Capt. Sabo was a strike team leader during the Battle Creek Fire that threatened the historic town of Keyston--"The Battle Creek Blaze was an exceptional fire. We had four or five years of drought preceding this fire. This fire was fed by forty to sixty mile per hour winds. We saw flame heights of over two hundred feet and I'm not exaggerating a bit." Sabo went on to say, "The homes were heavily timbered with a lot of debris up close.  I thought we would be whipped there." "It was an inferno; it was too intense . . . . a firefighter couldn't survive down there." "The fire was crowning up both ridges at the same time as well as coming up the draw." "Nobody could get back in there to see until the next morning because it was burning so hot, but when we were able to get back in, low and behold, every structure that we put Barricade on came through unscathed." "It was an inferno and we didn't thing anything in that area could survive but every Barricade structure stayed."

Chief Joe Lowe--State Wildfire Coordinator for South Dakota. 
Chief Lowe is a widely recognized expert in wild-land firefighting and is the author of several books and video series including Wild land Firefighting Practices and Wild-land Essentials-Fireline Safety. Chief Lowe outfitted every fire unit in the Black Hills regions with Barricade Fire Blocking Gel shortly before the Battle Creek Fire. South Dakota is the first state to adopt Barricade on a statewide basis. This is what he said after the fire--"This one incident more than justified the expense of placing Barricade on the South Dakota fire units. It is a great tool to add to our arsenal. We didn't lose a single residence during this fire and most importantly, our firefighters were able to operate more safely by applying the gel and evacuating before the arrival of the flaming front. With extraordinary results such as these, I think that Barricade should be standard equipment for any fire agency when faced with wildland-urban interface exposure protection challenges." 

 

TRAIL BY FIRE

1998 Florida Palm Coast Fires 
--All 20 homes treated with Barricade survived one of the worst firestorms in Florida history. Traveling at over 35 mph and fueled by a drought index of 700, hundreds of homes were lost. 

1998 Alberta Canada Fires
--Barricade is credited with saving Slave Lake Pulp Mill and lumber, valued at 60 million dollars. The area was subjected to wind driven fire with flame heights of 200 feet. 

2001 Jackson Hole Wyoming
--Over 200 homes coated with Gel--All 200 protected homes survived

2002 Battle Creek Fire, Black Hills South Dakota
--An exceptional fire with winds in excess of 60 mph and flame heights over 200 feet. All homes treated with Barricade survived.

2003 San Diego California Fire Storm
--Deluz Fire Dept--All treated homes survived unscathed, including a home with a propane tank completely engulfed in flames.

Lake Arrowhead California
--A large restaurant survived raging flames without any damage.

Florida Power & Light
--Treating their power poles with Barricade has saved over 160 poles.

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http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/10/24/firefighting-gel-and-goop/

Firefighting Gel and Goop

by Laura Ingle

We’ve all seen the images of homeowners trying to save their properties against a wall of flames, with what looks like a spurt from a garden hose.

If only those people knew about “Barricade Gel” or “POK Quickstick foam.”

Barricade concentrate is a thermal protective gel that you can attach to your garden hose and spray your house down with to prevent it from catching fire. The gel provides a high level of protection from radiant heat, flying embers, and direct flame. The goo goes into your garden hose out of a plastic container, the same way you would attach pesticide to a hose and spray for bugs.

Firefighters have been using this stuff for years, but it is available to the public, and the formula is being improved all the time. This could have been very useful to the folks in SoCal a week ago. I hear when they do demos of Barricade Gel, they coat a door with it, then take a blowtorch to it, and it doesn’t burn. When I called the Barricade headquarters in Kansas to find out more, they were totally swamped with calls today, and it’s no wonder. If I lived in Southern California, and had a chance to save my home, I’d be on the horn too. I found out about Barricade Gel, after talking with Tom at LineGear in Southern California. I originally had called his company to find out more about fire shelters that firefighters use — affectionately called “shake and bakes” after seeing this picture in the L.A. Times.

These firefighters were nearly engulfed in flames on a ridge off Santiago Canyon Road in Orange County. Someone on the crew hollered out to deploy their emergency packs so that the fire wouldn’t burn them alive. The metallic shelter, that makes them look a little like astronauts on the moon, luckily kept these firefighters a little toasty, but safe. My good friend and Fox News legal analyst Jim Hammer is the one who tipped me off to fire suits, after seeing the story, and amazing picture in the L.A. Times.

(You may have to complete a free registration form at the L.A. Times site to view the article — but trust me, it’s worth it!)

He was in L.A. on the front lines of the fires to cover the story for Greta! He hopped on board a plane from his home in San Francisco armed with a new handy-cam and headed into the mess to get new video for her show, and to interview victims displaced from the wildfires. I hope you had a chance to see some of his work, because it was great! Last night, Jim talked with some people who were literally standing in the ashes of the place they used to call home, as they walked him through the charred remains of their existence. It was very compelling.

Back to the new fire technology…. I also learned about a product by POK called “Quick Stik Technology” is an advanced foam spraying system that is a wetting agent that allows you to spray foam on a fire, that is proven to put out flames much faster than water. Again, something that fire departments use, but can be purchased by the public that many people don’ t know about. Cool stuff, and good goop to have on hand if you are a homeowner in fire prone areas of the country.

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